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Old 05-29-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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posted some of lyoto's takedown gif's to my blog, and posted that link in some discussion about lyoto on the UG JKD forum.

i noted that one takedown looked like a silat takedown to me called kinjit/kengit. FlashGordon from there pointed out in some youtube clip that that takedown is in karate too. i made a gif from this youtube:



Flash notes:

1:06 Kinjit like take-down. Granted, it's obviously a demo but it's a take-down that Machida has pulled off in the UFC.

i made 2 gif's - one of which uploaded properly, the other is just a slowmo of this one less the psychedelic funky colors.




here's lyoto doing it -- there's 2 takedowns in this gif, the "kinjit/kengit" is the first one (my thanks to the unknown gif maker):





edit: my work browser sux... i cannot edit thread titles... should've just named this TMA takedowns or something.
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Old 05-29-2009, 11:08 PM   #2
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Yeap... that takedown is also in Shaolin Kung-Fu FYI, and I believe in Sheui jao (sp!)
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Old 05-30-2009, 01:04 AM   #3
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shuai chiao or shuai jiao is how i see it usually spelled

come to think of it... forgot which is 'supinated' and which is 'pronated' (one means palm up and one means palm down), but in tai chi chuan/taijiquan - "diagonal flying" has the arm palm up and is essentially the same move... in kinjit, usually it's the elbow doing the pushing... in that karate gif and lyoto gif, it's palm down. minor technical difference but essentially it's the same throw across the board.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:03 PM   #4
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Shotokan actually contains numerous sweeps and throws. The problem is that no one teaches them. The kata contain numerous ju jitsu techniques. Every turn in a Shotokan kata is a disguised throw.
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Interesting. Are those Shotokan throws/trips also part of other Karate styles like Kyokushin for example or is it native to Shotokan?
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:02 PM   #6
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I think that the sweeps are pretty common. Don't know about the rest.
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Old 08-10-2009, 04:51 PM   #7
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e.kaye sighting!

seriously, thank you for the insight on the shotokan kata's!
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Many of the karate masters in Okinawa had also trained in Judo (and Kendo) when Japanese were in power
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